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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #15 on: Jun 10th, 2015, 9:09pm » |
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> so I wonder what point you are making.
I obviously don't know where to put it .............
It should be filed where to be called ?
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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #16 on: Jun 10th, 2015, 9:42pm » |
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on Jun 10th, 2015, 9:09pm, hitsware wrote:| I obviously don't know where to put it ... It should be filed where to be called ? |
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When you are running your program from the BB4W IDE it really doesn't matter where you store the library, so long as you specify the appropriate absolute or relative path when you CALL it. In that respect it's like any other 'resource' file used by your program.
But when it comes to compiling your program to an EXE it is obviously much more convenient if you can embed the library file in the executable, which means that it must either be in the LIB folder (which you access using @lib$) or in the same folder as your program (which you access using @dir$), or in a sub-directory of one of those places.
It is conventional to store libraries in the former location (hence the name LIB), although since that's a 'protected' folder in Windows Vista and later you will need to have administrative privileges in order to copy it there. Assuming UAC is enabled, and you copy the file in Windows Explorer (e.g. using copy-and-paste) you will be automatically prompted to grant the necessary privileges.
As is explained in the REMarks within the file itself, you can either use INSTALL (followed by a PROC_hqinit), as you would for a conventional library, or alternatively - because HQSOUND doesn't need to be resident in memory after it has done the patching - you can use CALL instead. The CALL method is particularly useful for those running the trial version of BB4W because it is more memory-efficient.
Because it's the simplest method, when modifying any of my existing four-voice music programs to use the library I simply add this at or near the start:
Code:
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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #17 on: Jun 11th, 2015, 01:14am » |
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Maybe I am becoming deaf ......
No effect for me ... REM CALL or not
Copied file to C/programfiles/bbcbasic/lib
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CALL @lib$+"HQSOUND"
*TEMPO 133
ENVELOPE 1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,127,0,0,0,40,0
ENVELOPE 2,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,127,-3,0,0,120,0
ENVELOPE 3,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,127,-127,0,0,100,0
ENVELOPE 4,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
DIM orgn(11), bass(7), drum(7)
FOR x=0 TO 11: READ orgn(x): NEXT x
FOR x=0 TO 7: READ bass(x): NEXT x
FOR x=0 TO 7: READ drum(x): NEXT x
REPEAT
FOR x=0 TO 11: FOR y=0 TO 7
SOUND 0,1,orgn(x)+48,4
SOUND 1,1,orgn(x)+76,4
SOUND 2,bass(y),orgn(x),4
SOUND 3,drum(y),140,4
NEXT y: NEXT x
UNTIL FALSE: END
DATA 32,24,4,32, 4,4,4,4, 24,24,4,4
DATA 2,4,4,2, 2,4,4,4
DATA 4,4,3,4, 4,4,3,4
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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #18 on: Jun 11th, 2015, 09:17am » |
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I confirm.
I hope to revive BBC Basic use in France, with some actions not completely related to www.riscos.fr (more a mix of BBC Basic for RISC OS AND Windows).
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And we don't forget your work too 
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Yes, it sounds the same with or without the lib. Strange.
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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #19 on: Jun 11th, 2015, 09:40am » |
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on Jun 11th, 2015, 01:14am, hitsware wrote:| Maybe I am becoming deaf ...... |
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To me the reduction in quantising noise (by more than 40 dB) is dramatic and the stereo effect unmistakable.
In all seriousness if you can't hear any difference (not even that channels 0 & 1 are left-only and channels 2 & 3 right-only) then I would worry about your hearing - or your PC.
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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #20 on: Jun 11th, 2015, 2:11pm » |
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Quote:In all seriousness if you can't hear any difference (not even that channels 0 & 1 are left-only and channels 2 & 3 right-only) then I would worry about your hearing - or your PC.
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Playing the code I submitted with my last post ?
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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #21 on: Jun 11th, 2015, 3:52pm » |
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on Jun 11th, 2015, 2:11pm, hitsware wrote:| Playing the code I submitted with my last post ? |
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I haven't run that code, but something far simpler is adequate to demonstrate the stereo effect:
Code: CALL @lib$+"HQSOUND"
SOUND 1, 0, 0, 10
SOUND 2, 0, 0, 30
SOUND 1, -15, 148, 20
SOUND 2, -15, 168, 20
That plays a C on the left stereo channel (only) followed by an F on the right channel (only).
But really the stereo aspect is just a (useful) side-effect. The principal objective of the library was to achieve 16-bit rather than 8-bit output, to eliminate the quantising distortion which I've always found unpleasant. Whilst you can guarantee that any modern PC will support 44.1 kHz 16-bit stereo, you can't be so certain that it will support mono with the same parameters.
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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #22 on: Jun 11th, 2015, 4:09pm » |
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> I haven't run that code,
Would you please ? .... Then comment on the effects ...
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1) raised speakers off floor and out of corners somewhat
2) turned off EQ
3) completely closed BB4W between comparisons
Now I can hear the L-R 'ness but quieter ?
Tis true my ears are worn, plus I've noticed as my PC's go down in size (and price) the sound quality also declines. Makes sense realizing a SB card uses @ least 12 V, while the MB circuit is probably 3.3V or even 1.8V nowdays ...
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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #23 on: Jun 11th, 2015, 5:43pm » |
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on Jun 11th, 2015, 4:09pm, hitsware wrote:| Would you please ? .... Then comment on the effects ... |
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Effects? It plays fine, with what you call 'bass' and 'drum' at 100% right channel and what passes for the 'melody' at 100% left channel. It's also free from the horrible raspy quantising noise that accompanies it when played without HQSOUND (you must restart BB4W for that of course).
Listen to them yourself:
http://www.rtr.myzen.co.uk/standard.wav
http://www.rtr.myzen.co.uk/hqsound.wav
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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #24 on: Jun 11th, 2015, 5:54pm » |
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Gotcha ... Thanks .... See edit to last post ....
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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #25 on: Jun 11th, 2015, 5:58pm » |
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on Jun 11th, 2015, 4:09pm, hitsware wrote:| Now I can hear the L-R 'ness but quieter ? |
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The reduced level is intentional, because with the hugely increased dynamic range there's no need to risk clipping. But that's settable with the 'stereo mix' QWORD in the library so you are free to bump the level up, or play with panning, or whatever.
As I said before the library lacks any 'frills'; tweak it, enhance it, play with it - the code is very amenable to user-modification and that's the way I increasingly want to go as my own interests and abilities wane.
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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #26 on: Jun 11th, 2015, 6:22pm » |
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By "quieter ?" I meant I don't know about the noise you refer to ?
Moving along :
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FOR ALD = -10 TO -1
CLS
PRINT "ALD = ";ALD
FOR duration = 3 TO 10
ENVELOPE 1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,127,ALD,0,0,126,0
SOUND 1,1,4,duration
NEXT duration
NEXT ALD
END
REM As ALD decreases it does not take the level
REM all the way down ......
REM Shouldn't it ?
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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #27 on: Jun 11th, 2015, 7:11pm » |
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on Jun 11th, 2015, 6:22pm, hitsware wrote:| As ALD decreases it does not take the level all the way down ...... Shouldn't it ? |
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You have:
Code: ENVELOPE 1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,127,ALD,0,0,126,0
SOUND 1,1,4,duration
so the final level should be approximately:
Code:126 + duration * tempo * ALD
So with duration=10 and ALD=-1 (and assuming the default tempo of 5) the final level should be around 126-50=76 (or 9 on the 0-15 scale). Isn't that what you are finding?
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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #28 on: Jun 11th, 2015, 8:25pm » |
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How do I make the envelope go to 0 ?
Adding - numbers to AS does nothing .. ?
Likewise AR
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Re: CD-quality stereo SOUND!
« Reply #29 on: Jun 11th, 2015, 9:11pm » |
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on Jun 11th, 2015, 8:25pm, hitsware wrote:| How do I make the envelope go to 0 ? |
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You need to increase the duration to give it time to decay:
Code: AD = -1
duration = 25
ENVELOPE 1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,127,AD,0,0,126,0
SOUND 1,1,100,duration
But that's too obvious, so did you mean something else?
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It works for me. For example here the note initially decays quickly at the AD rate but 10 centiseconds later switches to decaying at the slower AS rate:
Code: AD = -5
AS = -1
ALA = 125
ALD = 75
duration = 2 + 15
ENVELOPE 1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,127,AD,AS,0,ALA,ALD
SOUND 1,1,100,duration
Check on an oscilloscope if you want to see it more clearly. You may want to add an initial delay to avoid the sound start-up transient partially masking the effect.
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Again it has always worked for me. I thought you were something of an expert on the ADSR envelope so I'm surprised you are having problems with it.
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