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Malvern
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Re: Where have the BB4W supporters gone?
« Reply #6 on: Mar 13th, 2014, 12:31am » |
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What I am hearing is that all that can be done has already been done.
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So SYS @fn(x) is something I should recognize? I don't!
And perhaps also just for me, you, (or anyone who knows, it doesn't have to be Richard, but he does seem to like them), could tell what an anonymous structure is and why. And then how it might be used to advantage over whatever it is that it is better than. Maybe it needs a new topic header for that. I'll look for the technical part and try to ignore any style issues.
As an aside, I am a technical type and once thought that all this people stuff was crap. I went on a "Facilitator's" course where psychologists told us how people react etc. and I was still skeptical. Then we were video taped in situations that we did not know related to the course and given challenges and manipulated inputs. Well, you know what, we reacted exactly like we had been told a couple of days earlier. Presentation and "style" is very important. People react in predictable ways with a little bit of quantum randomness thrown in. I am so sorry that you dismiss it so readily. It is what makes groups cohesive or fractured and dysfunction more than anything else. I was supposed to manage teams and that insight was very useful. A small change can bring great rewards. Your wife can probably point you to some books on the subject since teacher training has a lot to say about it. And it is nothing new. What makes a good teacher? It's not just the content you know. Indeed pretty much all the teachers have the knowledge, but only some teach well.
And I thank you for reading this, even if it doesn't sway you. But you did ask where had all the supported gone. I know where and why for some of them and I have told you pretty much in the previous posts.
I'll keep peering in and hope for the best. And don't forget those anonymous structures, they seem important to making GUILIB work if I read some earlier posts correctly.
And think on your words on GUILIB
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Is there anything in there that relates to team-working? Yes, of course there is. The discussions I saw never got to the point that a team could have done anything. You provided a specification that differed from what others though it should or could be, maybe in ignorance, agreed. And 'required' their buy in. It was never their project, it was yours. That is not how it works but you may not have understood that was what you were doing. Volunteer groups are the most fragile of democracies and take lots of time to nourish. That other language groups have produced significant things is not something you can replicate without leadership, and commitment. So when you posted that you did not think GUILIB would be used anyway and gave a couple of reasons why, YOU killed it. I do wish you would stop blaming others.
Anyhow that is more than enough from me and I am sorry to lecture you. I am just answering your questions as honestly as I know how in the hope that you want to know. And I fully appreciate that you will most likely dismiss most if not all of it. Not an unusual trait! Or maybe take it apart bit by bit and refute it, which is a style that you seem to like. Let me tell you that is a style that really pisses people off in a hurry.
Now I would predict that you are upset by now, right? So the thing to do is NOT reply immediately, indeed wait a week and then think on it again and see if there is anything of use here. One of my techniques is to write a reply down at great length including what I feel. Then throw it in the garbage. It has stopped me doing some very silly things in my career, and some times told me what the real issue was.
And did I mention I am a fan of BB4W.
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Re: Where have the BB4W supporters gone?
« Reply #7 on: Mar 13th, 2014, 11:22am » |
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I'm a big fan of bb4w too
If you want things to change then you will need to do the changing Richard
The older we get the harder it is too, we tend to revert to our basic genetic OS in our more advanced years
The suggestion above of team skills books sounds interesting
We're running out of time too if you're about the same age as me, about 20 good years left? 30? tick tick tick tick
Wouldn't be easy for you but but it is the solution you seek if you want things to flourish
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rtr2
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Re: Where have the BB4W supporters gone?
« Reply #8 on: Jul 26th, 2015, 6:21pm » |
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on Mar 13th, 2014, 12:31am, Malvern wrote:| And perhaps also just for me, you .... could tell what an anonymous structure is |
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I didn't mean "anonymous structure", I meant "opaque structure". Sorry about that, but sadly it's just the sort of confusion that can result from my kind of dementia.
Quote:| We're running out of time too if you're about the same age as me, about 20 good years left? 30? |
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Nowhere near. 
Richard.
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